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Post by Admiral Tim on Jun 24, 2015 7:53:52 GMT
Hi All. A conversation at the end of the evening on Monday night prompted me to go on the World Wide Web (not an easy feat for those that know my prowess with the keyboard skills).
Apparently there were rumours of Warhammer Fantasy moving to round figure bases. A quick 'Google' of 'Warhammer Rumours 2015' resulted in ascertaining much more than this. Informed sources seem to be implying the following:
- As of July 2015 Warhammer Fantasy will no longer exist - it will be replaced by a new 1000 - 1500 pt skirmish game (hence the round bases) although you may be able to use your units as now. Assume it will be similar to their Lord of the Rings Skirmish game.
- Warhammer Fantasy has not been selling well for sometime hence the change. Shelf space in the shops will move to 40K. Products for the new game will generally have a shelf life of 6 months. Lord of the Rings will continue in the shops until the end of the franchise.
- Brtettonians and Lizardmen are to go under the new game, and the Dwarfs will be in with the Empire.
I stress these are rumours, but seem to come from several sources on several sites - nothing official yet from GW.
With additional rumours that under the new Dark Angels book you will not be able to have a Deathwing army that's three of my armies defunct in one afternoons internet viewing. Matt says we can go retro and play old editions. A cant see my Brettonnian Green night wearing a sixties style Lulu dress, or psychedelic lizards - but it could be an interesting painting session.
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Post by nemesis on Jun 24, 2015 9:41:05 GMT
Thanks for the info (not that it affects though) WHFB has always undersold Farty k and over the years more and more space has been dedicated to the scif game rather than fantasy. Call me cynical , but moving to a skirmish game means they can halve the contents of the troop boxes put different bases in them and put the price up. Well good luck to them with their new game, although i am surprised they did not do away with WHFB as the rumours were heading that way before. Bummer about your armies though , ive gained more options for armies in warmaster ans epic as the fans have expanded it online, so glad i decided to shift away from GW mainstream games. I still like their new miniatures and can see the appeal of them, i just dont know when the product/price bubble will burst......
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Post by Balgin on Jun 24, 2015 13:05:04 GMT
Thanks for the info Tim. I'm slightly confused that this went in the "what's happening next week" section. Yes. There have been a lot of rumours. Very wide and varied. Lots of talk about stuff. I was personally waiting for something more concrete. It looks like the new Age of Sigmar game will either be a historical game (Warhammer Ancients (Ancients) set before the founding of the empire or somehow set in a new world with slightly more distinct races so they can protect their IP. It doesn't seem like a replacement so much as an inbetween game. They'll sell and support it for a while before introducing a big battles rules set (similar to what they did with the Lord of the Rings line). By that time they'll have got rid of all the old Warhammer players (who've got their armies already anyway) and can keep selling to the new kids. For now, 'til we know more, we might all find this page useful as it contains a summary of most of the more recent wild speculation. If you have a couple of hours spare you might want to watch this video in which a couple of the more respected members of the Warhammer community discuss their opinions on all the recent rumour mongering.
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Post by madphil101 on Jun 24, 2015 21:10:43 GMT
The extent of the rumours were: The warhammer ran a series of the "end times" In that a lot of the heroes died. A lot of them became avatars. Like gods. The new game will be played as a skirmish or a battle game. There will be three factions of humans baddies and beasts. Humans are sigmar, elves (even bad elves I think), dwarves, bretonnia etc. Baddies are chaos more humans beast men Beasts are skaven beast men orcs goblins lizards? etc
So you can use any bases but units will be more skirmishy more like Lotr rules
It's new rules (apparently quite different) so as to make the rules more proprietary. Some names have been changed. Elves are eluelalalwaellabingbong or something. Gunpowder is gone. There's little in the way of the old world and its fragments of the old world and bits of the chaos realms and stuff in between. Basically they've taken all the cool models and stuff the liked and built a set of realms off it. Initislly I wasn't sold on it but the idea has grown on me. I can only think they will run it at a similar pace to 40k though and that turns me off it. But I'm not the current computer game generation download now pre order now have it this second. So maybe it's me. It's not you its me. We're having a bad warhammer breakup.
Looks interesting but I will probably get a main rule book and nothing more. The new logo is all over their site and app. Seems like it's due any day and the starter pack will have everything you need to use every existing model.
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Post by Balgin on Jun 24, 2015 23:12:30 GMT
Sounds like the old French Confrontation to me.
I think it sounds like a good game. It's just not Warhammer. If it's going to be completely different they should just give it a new name and stop pretending it's the same thing. You know, like they did with the "new" White Dwarf issue number 1.
Age of Sigmar is due for preorder on the 4th of July, release on the 11th (or something like that).
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Post by stubram on Jun 25, 2015 13:34:39 GMT
Seem odd that they've spent decades creating a world, only to just scrub the whole thing and deny/change things to suit.
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Post by Balgin on Jun 26, 2015 18:34:25 GMT
These two pictures have appeared on the internet. It would seem the rumours of "Space Marines in Warhammer" are disturbingly true .
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Post by comstar on Jun 26, 2015 18:39:25 GMT
Oh!
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Post by chillatbmth on Jun 26, 2015 21:40:26 GMT
still nice looking but I shall not weaken.
Does leave a feeling of seem it before somewhere.
Mind you I'm more concerned about all those series from the Black Library which have gone the way of the Dodo and switching to electronic media was a main reason that those of us whom could carry and read a book and were buying just gave up.
Even Gotrek and Felix (after 3 authors) have now had the final showdown, Gaunt is a ghost and Cain must have run out of luck or his BO ridden manservant cleaned up his act.
Then Angelic stopped thieving and Vampire hunters ran out of prey. Various characters came, lasted 3 books and were gone again, many never making it fully to the table top.
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Post by masterdisaster on Jun 29, 2015 9:32:45 GMT
Hi All. A conversation at the end of the evening on Monday night prompted me to go on the World Wide Web (not an easy feat for those that know my prowess with the keyboard skills).
Apparently there were rumours of Warhammer Fantasy moving to round figure bases. A quick 'Google' of 'Warhammer Rumours 2015' resulted in ascertaining much more than this. Informed sources seem to be implying the following:
- As of July 2015 Warhammer Fantasy will no longer exist - it will be replaced by a new 1000 - 1500 pt skirmish game (hence the round bases) although you may be able to use your units as now. Assume it will be similar to their Lord of the Rings Skirmish game.
- Warhammer Fantasy has not been selling well for sometime hence the change. Shelf space in the shops will move to 40K. Products for the new game will generally have a shelf life of 6 months. Lord of the Rings will continue in the shops until the end of the franchise.
- Brtettonians and Lizardmen are to go under the new game, and the Dwarfs will be in with the Empire.
I stress these are rumours, but seem to come from several sources on several sites - nothing official yet from GW.
With additional rumours that under the new Dark Angels book you will not be able to have a Deathwing army that's three of my armies defunct in one afternoons internet viewing. Matt says we can go retro and play old editions. A cant see my Brettonnian Green night wearing a sixties style Lulu dress, or psychedelic lizards - but it could be an interesting painting session. None of this has been confirmed as you say, most of this is pure speculation fron the online community and fear mongering from people who are scared of change. I suspect the round bases thing is just for aesthetics. I can't imagine GW screwing over millions of people by changing the bases shapes when there are so many people out there with square although I wouldn't put it past them. Rumor has it you can still play ranked up but there is the option to skirmish units. Giving you options and benefits for both. Of course, more rumors from the ever reliable source of info (The interwebz). Either way I'm out, I gave up on Warhammer after they started messing with it and now this gives me no incentive to come back no matter how awesome 9th will be. I just don't care anymore. Malifaux all the way y'all!
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Post by Alien Dave on Jun 29, 2015 10:43:29 GMT
...I can't imagine GW screwing over millions of people... I can!!! I know I'm quoting you out of context, but I just couldn't resist it! Mantic and Kings of War, anyone? DW
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Post by Balgin on Jun 29, 2015 15:34:06 GMT
Rumour has it there'll be a "Legacy Basing" rule to allow people to use old figures without having to rebase them all. Apparently there's already a similar rule in 40k for people who want to use Chaos Warriors & Demons from existing Warhammer armies.
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Post by masterdisaster on Jun 29, 2015 15:35:33 GMT
I dunno about that one in 40k. I know guys who've tried using square based demons in 40k at local GW stores and been told off for it.
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Post by Balgin on Jun 30, 2015 0:53:51 GMT
After a little more digging all I can say is wow. It really is 40k. So units can charge 2d6 after you've done your shooting. Everyone has a magical 3" combat reach. While these pictures may be a hoax I'm not sure they represent a game I want to lay. Rumour has it that models will also have no points cost or balance system at all. People just turn up and play with whatever unbalanced forces they've got regardless of what their poor opponent has. Again this is all conjecture 'til we know more.
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Post by Alien Dave on Jun 30, 2015 7:41:16 GMT
So, still sticking with a 30 year old game mechanic when everyone has moved on then...
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Post by Balgin on Jun 30, 2015 21:08:06 GMT
Another leaked image. Talk about dumbing down the profiles. Look at all that wasted space on the page.
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Post by madphil101 on Jun 30, 2015 22:10:38 GMT
If that were on a helldorado card you wouldn't say that... I'm holdin judgement back til I see it in context. :-) The net likes us to hate
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Post by Balgin on Jun 30, 2015 23:28:09 GMT
I don't know. I think it's the circular arrangement of stats that gets me. I'm too sued to seeing them presented in a line. Having a lot of the stats built into the weapons seems to be done purely to get down to 4 stats and put them up there in some flashy eye catching manner. I'm just looking at those entries lower down the page with all that empty wasted space that could have something in it.
I'm sure it could be a very good game but it's a completely different game. One that doesn't really seem to appeal to me at the moment.
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Post by madphil101 on Jul 1, 2015 6:28:55 GMT
As much as anything I think there's wasted space as its whole page sized and I get the impression each will get a card in the minis box going forward like malifaux or warmahordes?
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Post by masterdisaster on Jul 1, 2015 7:21:43 GMT
AAAAAND they've turned Warhammer into an idiot friendly Warmahordes... Am I the only one who thinks this has gone too far from the previous edition? To me it feels like they are going to be giving the entire community a massive middle finger as all the older armies become obsolete. I remain unimpressed and hope these initial images and rules etc are just for the starter set. One of the reason I loved Warhammer was it's complexity and strategic nature but it seems as though with each new edition they make it more and more "special" person friendly.
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Post by Balgin on Jul 1, 2015 8:21:56 GMT
As much as anything I think there's wasted space as its whole page sized and I get the impression each will get a card in the minis box going forward like malifaux or warmahordes? Well to be fair back in the mid 80's they used to put complete stat blocks on the back of the boxed sets. In the mid to late 90's they briefly experimented with putting just a plain and simple stat line on the back of some boxes of single pose single part infantry but they didn't keep it up for long.
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Post by Balgin on Jul 1, 2015 8:29:16 GMT
AAAAAND they've turned Warhammer into an idiot friendly Warmahordes... Am I the only one who thinks this has gone too far from the previous edition? To me it feels like they are going to be giving the entire community a massive middle finger as all the older armies become obsolete. I remain unimpressed and hope these initial images and rules etc are just for the starter set. One of the reason I loved Warhammer was it's complexity and strategic nature but it seems as though with each new edition they make it more and more "special" person friendly. Oh then you really don't want to read the full rules. All 4 or 5 pages of them, which have been leaked on the internet some time yesterday. It's pretty horrific. Your army is supposed to be your entire collection (but only Citadel miniatures will have rules in the war scrolls because other companies don't exist and therefore cannot be a part of your collection). Players take it in turns to deploy models or units. There is no maximum unit size. Stop when you think you've got enough on the table. If your opponent outnumbers you by 30% of your total force size (counting merely the bases because there's np points cost or balance or anything) then you get to hit them with the sudden death rule where basically they nominate one of their things. If you take it out you win the game (although good luck against overwhelming odds as they can just hide it at the back). The rules really do read like the current version of 40k but dumbed down and with a few things from LoTR/WoTR thrown in (the things which were simpler than their 40k counterpart mechanics). No Initiative in combat any more. You just take it in turns to nominate units to attack with during the attack phase 'til they're all done. My hope is that this is going to be a stand alone game like Mordheim with a big battles game coming further down the line. Kind of a simple starter set with baby rules to get the 40k players started on playing Space Marines in fantasy games.
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Post by masterdisaster on Jul 1, 2015 8:42:17 GMT
So yeah, basically idiot proof warmahordes.
"Oh you have more money and therefor more models than me?" "Sure do!" "Cool, I'll just go for Caster Kill Mode then"
Ughh... GW need to sort their act out!
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Post by Balgin on Jul 1, 2015 17:35:47 GMT
So yeah, basically idiot proof warmahordes. "Oh you have more money and therefor more models than me?" "Sure do!" "Cool, I'll just go for Caster Kill Mode then" Ughh... GW need to sort their act out! I believe there might also be a 30 model limit. All of this is starting to make Kings of War suddenly look all the more appealing. I hear it's very popular somewhere. Just haven't found anyone who actually plays it. It's kind of like Infinity in that regards. Somehow popular somewhere else but not in this area. Fancy a game of Fantasy Warlord some time? It was written by Gary Chalk and one of his buddies back in the late 90's. It's a nice generic fantasy battle system with quick clean simple combat resolution. No rules for warmachines. There might not be any rules for big monsters but if you want heroes and units then it's not a bad system.
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Post by Alien Dave on Jul 1, 2015 20:18:42 GMT
I think Mantic are already thinking along the lines of picking up even more disaffected WHFB players... LinkyDW
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