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Post by chillatbmth on Dec 26, 2014 23:59:53 GMT
I have been trawling various Orbats for Waterloo and have stuck with the one from the Ugo Perocoli book 1815 The Armies of Waterloo, of course this may not be correct but at least it gives a starting point. A thankless task, but I thought it would be good to get a handle on the maximums needed assuming that a 60 x 30 base = an infantry battalion or cavalry regiment I don't know what people have and never though that we would rely solely on nemesis to buy the lot. First Table -- what would be needed for the whole campaign -- of course we may only pick one of the 4 battles - there is an interesting orbat within this website but I can't find it where the Anglo troops which did not take part are greyed out but try this oneFrench
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| Infantry Battalions | 39 | Cavalry regiments | 20 | Artillery batteries | 12 | Netherlands |
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The second table is what people have got and willing to bring* * I do have some H&R which could be pressed into filling holes but only showing below my Baccus models for now. I will be buying some more over the coming months. FRENCH | Nemesis | Chaz
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Post by nemesis on Dec 27, 2014 9:23:57 GMT
Nice thread matey ! Im not sure though, "how" exact we need to be, and if the sheer amount of bases needed are too highwe can always go with "one base=one brigade, rather than one battalion", it may be more"doable" at a club night. And as you say, we may pick a battle , or even "fudge" a battle
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Post by chillatbmth on Jan 3, 2015 0:18:41 GMT
if we follow Polemos : Marochel d'Empire (big battle rules) and use the orbat on pages 61 to 63 of the companion as well as the map on page 70 for set up of the battle field
The French have 31 infantry, 21 cavalry and 13 artillery bases The British / Dutch etc. have 30 infantry, 16 cavalry and 8 artillery bases The Prussians have 31 infantry, 8 cavalry and 10 artillery bases (but have to dice to arrive a corps at a time).
Of course the base numbers could be doubled up to achieve the 60 x 60 blocks or a spacer base could be placed at the front or rear. I like the idea of putting a few skirmishers on some of these bases.
Pity that Baccas are not remoulding the Prussians for a bit.
But the companion book has saved all the leg work.
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Post by simonkretz on Jan 3, 2015 6:05:14 GMT
Chaz, how many infantry or cav per base?
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Post by nemesis on Jan 3, 2015 9:28:08 GMT
If chaz is going to base the same amount as me (and most eBay resellers) then it will be 9 cavalry/24 infantry per base, but then i dont know what chaz will do, as long as the base size is the same, you could squeeze 48 infantry on a base of that size and probably 18 cavalry.
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Post by chillatbmth on Jan 3, 2015 13:09:42 GMT
I'm following the great nemesis and sticking to the Baccas norm. Keeping to 60 x 30mm bases but 2 of them equals a brigade in the big battle rules and a single stand equals a battalion in the other half of the Polemos rule book. Read the Marochel d'Empire rules last night and they seem to give a good game (if you can believe the examples provided) but the proof will be in the playing as always. But at this troop scale Waterloo could be doable in an evening.
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Post by madphil101 on Jan 8, 2015 21:36:54 GMT
Are you short of frenchies then? And what's your time frame for playing?
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Post by nemesis on Jan 8, 2015 22:25:39 GMT
I have just recieved 40 bases of british line, and 18 bases of french line dont know when the next batch are due to arrive, and i also have to work out what i already have here firtled away in boxes, i know ive got a Brunswicker army that just need to be based. I also have some more french somewhere,but at the moment i cant get in my garage, still full of junk from xmas
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Post by nemesis on Jan 8, 2015 22:30:51 GMT
If anyone wants to jump in on this project they can do what ever they like troops-wise. There are no time frames as i feel the pressure puts people off, we will be playing some games over the year and beyond, weare just using the anniversary year, to get butts in gear and start doing some napoleonics. So , there are no hard or fast rules to this project and people can go at their own pace, ifnapoleonic 6mm is something they would llike to do, they know that there will be some ggames that they can join in on and use whatever they have done at the time. There are also some people who have no interest in collecting the miniatures,but are willing to be generals in some games.
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Post by madphil101 on Jan 10, 2015 14:16:48 GMT
Well then I shall attempt to collect my 28mm French in 6mm to mirror it. Then oppose it with a similar British peninsula force. (No point just having one side as you are reliant on other people collecting to play)
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Post by chillatbmth on Jan 10, 2015 21:53:18 GMT
The attached file shows what is recommended for the BIG battle Polemus rules to refight the battle of Waterloo per the summary in their companion book. In the Marechal d'Empire rule book there is also a scenario for the Battle of Ligny on the 16th June which uses French 23-38 Infantry bases, 17-19 cavalry bases and 8 - 12 artillery Prussians 45 / 10 / 10 If we wanted we could do Ligny one week and Waterloo the next carrying over losses etc. Quatre Bras scenario appears in the other half of the rule book for smaller battles - General de Division So Baccus have done all the research we really need in 2 publications to fight the three battles of this campaign. Remember that it is the same bases [60 x 30] we are using for both sets - just that Marechal d'Empire uses [60 x 60] which of course is either 2 bases together or a base plus a spacer. The Quatre Bras requires a variable number of bases because of reinforcements but the max is French 32 / 12 / 8 and Anglo-British 46 / 3 / 10 note to all as nemesis mentioned Waterloo is just a hook to hang a hat on over time many other battles and theatres could be played out as well so if you want to spray your Cossacks white in readiness for 1812 that's OK. Attachments:Waterloo.xls (20.5 KB)
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Post by chillatbmth on Jan 10, 2015 22:31:22 GMT
Roll call for Waterloo using the scenario Waterloo from Marcheal d'Empire Right who has got what - or wishes to collect so that someone else does not need to buy / paint it. Of course Rees may have got the lot anyway but you may want to fight battles without having to always borrow his forces. Bases | Max Required 60 x 60 bases
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* uniform is the same as the British bar changes too small to make a difference in 6mm unless you're perfectsix
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Post by simonkretz on Jan 11, 2015 14:26:15 GMT
awesome thanks Chaz!
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Post by madphil101 on Jan 11, 2015 14:45:53 GMT
Is everyone using baccus?
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Post by nemesis on Jan 11, 2015 15:57:38 GMT
Is everyone using baccus? So far yes, but it doesnt matter at this size of figure, if you have other manufactureers figures you can use them
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Post by madphil101 on Jan 11, 2015 17:19:08 GMT
I was just browsing t'internet and looking at what was available. Baccus seemed to come out tops all round but Adler were a fraction bigger and heroic Ros were "more dynamic" but at 6 mm...
That's cool. I didn't want to get baccus and have everyone suck their teeth and say "oh no! Schoolboy error"
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Post by chillatbmth on Jan 11, 2015 19:08:59 GMT
where's the Prussian love
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Post by chillatbmth on Mar 28, 2015 10:39:41 GMT
where's the Prussian love It's with Tony - oh that mad green thing I assume it is a starter pack which seems to be 10 bases of infantry, 12 bases / stands of cavalry and 4 guns with 9 officers / messengers
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Post by chillatbmth on Mar 28, 2015 10:46:22 GMT
I will redo the forces needed table - per the Baccas scenario books is summarised in an above post - just needs updating and that should highlight any alarming gaps - but NO Battletech proxying in for line infantry, just saying.
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Post by Anything Green or Mean! on Mar 28, 2015 14:43:31 GMT
Prussian love is right here, looks like I need a lot more infantry, will get on it asap
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Post by Anything Green or Mean! on Mar 28, 2015 14:44:17 GMT
Will let you know what I have tomoz so far
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Post by Anything Green or Mean! on Apr 5, 2015 21:50:15 GMT
Forgot to add army list, updated is now -
8 Skirmish Infantry 30 infantry 4 Heavy Infantry 32 Light Cavalry 16 Artillery Foot 8 Artillery Cavalry 4 Caissons 9 Generals
Have on order -
12 Skirmish Infantry 20 Infantry
How am I doing, need anything more???
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Post by Anything Green or Mean! on Apr 5, 2015 21:53:16 GMT
Painted = zero
Although 10 Infantry nearly done, will then do some Artillery and Generals next before the Cavalry!
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Post by chillatbmth on Apr 5, 2015 22:04:31 GMT
@anything Green or Mean!
you seem to have the Prussians nailed
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Post by Anything Green or Mean! on Apr 6, 2015 13:14:40 GMT
@anything Green or Mean! you seem to have the Prussians nailed Thank god, I am pleased to hear that lol
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